everyone must see this!!!
everyone must see this!!!
sent to ROGER MEYER of the alberta government today,
Doug Raffan of dirttv.net passed these photos on to me to illustrate the problem with cattle in the Fallen Timber campground. We all would appreciate it if you could pass this on to CD and ensure that the cattleman – recreationist interface does not become a conflict ground.
Doug Raffan of dirttv.net passed these photos on to me to illustrate the problem with cattle in the Fallen Timber campground. We all would appreciate it if you could pass this on to CD and ensure that the cattleman – recreationist interface does not become a conflict ground.
recieved today at 5:30 pm
I have spoken to the allotment holder once again about this issue, and we are going to clean up the site on Thursday. It should be known that feeding livestock within the Forest Reserve is not supported and especially within PRA's, as mentioned before we will be working with the allotment holder to ensure this will not happen again.
Thanks,
Kevin France
Rangeland Agrologist
M.Sc. Range Ecology & Mgt. B.Sc. Natural Resource Sc.
Rangeland Management Branch
Southern Rockies Region (Calgary)
Sustainable Resource Development
(403) 355-**** (Office)
(403) 860-**** (Cell)
I have spoken to the allotment holder once again about this issue, and we are going to clean up the site on Thursday. It should be known that feeding livestock within the Forest Reserve is not supported and especially within PRA's, as mentioned before we will be working with the allotment holder to ensure this will not happen again.
Thanks,
Kevin France
Rangeland Agrologist
M.Sc. Range Ecology & Mgt. B.Sc. Natural Resource Sc.
Rangeland Management Branch
Southern Rockies Region (Calgary)
Sustainable Resource Development
(403) 355-**** (Office)
(403) 860-**** (Cell)
- thumper-darryl
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must see
The allotment holder responsible, does this, and in the past has put salt for cattle in random camping spots just to be ignorant. A good way to discourage recreational users. Sad.
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Re: must see
So the 'allotment holder' has done this before, and has done it AGAIN... with what consequence?.....exactly, zip. The off road community on the other hand gets pegged for all the reckless acts that are committed by a token few bone heads and we get trails taken away......oh I see how this system works now. Thank you to all that pushed GAMP through to make the South Ghost a much better place What a joke. Go back to the drawing board, what you passed down doesnt do what it is supposed to do....and like my 4 year old daughter says.....duh?thumper-darryl wrote:The allotment holder responsible, does this, and in the past has put salt for cattle in random camping spots just to be ignorant. A good way to discourage recreational users. Sad.
I vote for some change PDQ.
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Where is there? I wasn't too sure what I was looking at. It's starting to click now. Is that Fallen Timber day area? (East of the campground) And the grazer put straw down across the parking lot to lure the cattle to the cook house?DIRTTV wrote:someone needs to go there this weekend and take some pictures to see how the clean up was done.
that's what it looks like to medirtyboy wrote:Where is there? I wasn't too sure what I was looking at. It's starting to click now. Is that Fallen Timber day area? (East of the campground) And the grazer put straw down across the parking lot to lure the cattle to the cook house?DIRTTV wrote:someone needs to go there this weekend and take some pictures to see how the clean up was done.
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My guess is he weaned his calves and likely had some portable panels set up in that area. He would have used the hay to bring the cows into a place where he could load the calves into a trailer such as a parking lot. Its that time of year.........
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Not to rain on everyone's parade here, but are we doing ourselves any favors by creating enemies with the cattle guys over a bit of cowshit? I end up with the stuff on my bike/gear every time I ride and have accepted it as part of sharing the land, it's not a big deal. This guy may not give a (I can't type without swearing. The word that I used is one of GC's 7 words that you can not say on television.) about dirt bikes on the land, but after he gets fined and forced to clean up the area, because of OUR actions, he probably won't like dirt bikers too much. Just my $0.02.
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cow poop
Nothing resulted from our actions. Do you not think that other campers were pleased? How about the camp ground operator? There is no excuse for his actions. All ranchers know the rules. No feeding of animals is allowed in the forestry area ESPECIALLY in a recreation zone like the staging area.
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Ryan,
I hate to tell you this but all four lease holders in that area hate dirtbikers. They have gone as far as lobbying the government to close the area to ALL users so they could use the land soley for grazing. Its not about fighting cattleman its about being held accountable for mistakes you make in the ghost area. That is the bottom line of our battle in the riding area. does your dog S**t on the sidewalk? if it does you have to clean it up. thats the law! same applies here you cant feed cattle in a public place. Its no different if you drag your couch out the the campground and burn it. you must be held accountable for your actions.
There is no enforcement in the ghost area for anything.
Close the area so you dont have to police it. Brilliant idea, only a politician could dream up!
I hate to tell you this but all four lease holders in that area hate dirtbikers. They have gone as far as lobbying the government to close the area to ALL users so they could use the land soley for grazing. Its not about fighting cattleman its about being held accountable for mistakes you make in the ghost area. That is the bottom line of our battle in the riding area. does your dog S**t on the sidewalk? if it does you have to clean it up. thats the law! same applies here you cant feed cattle in a public place. Its no different if you drag your couch out the the campground and burn it. you must be held accountable for your actions.
There is no enforcement in the ghost area for anything.
Close the area so you dont have to police it. Brilliant idea, only a politician could dream up!