More bad news with a FLUZ plan now

[Spinalguy]

http://www.gov.ab.ca/home/Orders_in_Cou ... 6_194.html

From what I can see..... From reading this http://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/Regs/ ... 0779735900

Waiparous - all trails are closed unless marked open

The operation of a motor vehicle is permitted within the Zone in areas or on trails that have been designated for that purpose by signs or notices in the Zone or by the written instructions of a forest officer.

McLean Creek – All trails are open unless marked as closed

The operation of motor vehicles is permitted within the McLean Creek Off Highway Vehicle Forest Land Use Zone except as otherwise indicated by signs posted in the Zone or by the written instructions of a forest officer.

[Spinalguy]

Penalties?

Only Penalty I can see is...

A forest officer may require any person in a forest recreation area to inform the forest officer of the person’s name and address, or order any person to vacate a forest recreation area, (must be put in writing)
or do both.

You may not returm for 72 hours.

As per section 25.21

[Spinalguy]

To confuse us even more


And that's only for a 'Forest Recreation Area', which, as near as I can tell, is only a campground. A Forest Recreation Area is not a Forest Land Use Zone, which is not a Forest Recreation Trail. Their definitions are arbitrary, however.

from the Forest Recreation Regulation...
"forest land use zone” means an area of forest land declared by this Regulation to be a forest land use zone;

And from the Forest Act....
“forest recreation area” means an area of forest land declared by the regulations to be a forest recreation area


One must also be aware of this from the Forest Recreation Regulation:
10.1 A forest officer may order a person in a forest land use zone to refrain from doing anything that, in the opinion of the forest officer, is dangerous to life or property or detrimental to the management or use of any road, trail or route within the zone.

And from the Forest Act itself:
Contravention of regulations
50 A person who contravenes the regulations made pursuant to Part 3 is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine of not more than $1000 and in default of payment to imprisonment for a term of not more than 60 days.

Also note that Forest officers have impounding capability within a Forest Recreation Area (which is a campground, I beleive)
49(1) A forest officer may impound a vehicle or other property and take it to a place designated by the Minister if
(a) the vehicle or other property, in the opinion of a forest officer, interferes with the management or use of a forest recreation area or forest recreation trail...

[DIRTTV]

The date is set for november 1st 2009!!!!!!!!!from reading this.

[Spinalguy]

The date is set for november 1st 2009!!!!!!!!!from reading this.

Totally missed that!!!

But the trails in Waiporous are marked now and May Long is close, so i wonder if it will be put into place by then????

A lot of questions but no answers from the powers that be

[DirtGirl]

DARYLL,
ANY INPUT ON THIS????

[Spinalguy]

This info i have been gathering is from other OHV websites.

Doug,
Are you referrring to section 28.1 ? (which is being changed to November 1, 2009)

Expiry
28.1 For the purpose of ensuring that this Regulation is reviewed for ongoing relevancy and necessity, with the option that it may be repassed in its present or an amended form following a review, this Regulation expires on November 1, 2007.

[DIRTTV]

i dont really know Tom????????? I cant read legal mumbo jumbo????????

I didnt post this to say you missed it. I just threw it out there to see if any lawyers out there could tell us. I mean no disrepect.....just trying to figure it all out. Not that 2009 is any better. Did you happen to see where it says........." ohv's can be used to transport goverment employees or SICK OR INJURED PEOPLE"........I feel really sick all of a sudden.......hint hint!!!

[Spinalguy]

i dont really know Tom????????? I cant read legal mumbo jumbo????????

I didnt post this to say you missed it. I just threw it out there to see if any lawyers out there could tell us. I mean no disrepect.....just trying to figure it all out. Not that 2009 is any better. Did you happen to see where it says........." ohv's can be used to transport goverment employees or SICK OR INJURED PEOPLE"........I feel really sick all of a sudden.......hint hint!!!

he,he,he...no worries Doug. i always knew this is just a discussion. Internet sometimes hides the intent of peoples comments and at no time did i take yours to be negative or confronting. i love to learn and that document is a lot of legal mumbo jumbo.
Basically, it will somehow affect all OHV users and not for the best in my opinion.
But anyone that rides with me, always remember you are all hurt
Tom

[thumper-darryl]

Other than the "order in council" on the gov web-site nothing in writing.YET

[DIAMOND DAVE]

Here's a link to the Cochrane Eagle artical if anyone is interested.


http://www.cochraneeagle.com/index.php? ... ws&id=2406

[dirtyboy]

Interesting read with quotes from thumper-darryl.

[WR_Dave]

Typical Government attitude, say one thing to your face with a smile while they are sticking a knife in your back. There are alot of those little signs up at Bar C already. WR Dave.

[thumper-darryl]

So as of today still no response from Gov. to stake-holders, so everyone should send written requests to The Minister Dave Coutts and Rick Blackwood.

[MotorEd]

So as of today still no response from Gov. to stake-holders, so everyone should send written requests to The Minister Dave Coutts and Rick Blackwood.

Agreed 100% letter is in the works, what a joke....rush rush rush and just throw it together, must have been some real pressure from one of those stakeholder groups pushing this for the May longweekend. So does this mean that we are getting the 25 or so KM's of trails that were put on the original proposal? Everything else is closed? To early to tell?